Is There Anyone There? (the God arguments) · Episode 1 · 16-min read

Show me the evidence

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My uncle believes in God. He believes it the way he believes the sun will rise tomorrow — not as a conclusion he argued his way to, but as something he has simply never doubted. He does not make a case for it. He has never once tried to talk me into it. He does not so much hold the belief as live by it. Years ago, at a kitchen table, I pressed him on it. I was younger, and rather pleased with myself, and I asked him what his evidence was. He looked at me — not angry, faintly amused — the way you might look at someone who had asked you to prove that you love your wife. As though I had misunderstood what sort of thing we were discussing, and was too satisfied with the question to notice.

I took that look for defeat. I thought: there it is. He has nothing. You ask a believer for the evidence, he falls silent, because there isn't any, and the silence is the whole answer. I drove home that night feeling I had won something.

What changed, years later, and what this whole series grew out of, was an attempt to finish the sentence I had been so proud of. I tried to say exactly what evidence I had been demanding — what my uncle would have had to produce to convince me. And I could not finish it. Every time I tried to fill in the word evidence, I found I had already assumed a whole picture of what believing is: believing as the thing you do after the proof comes in, the way a juror listens to the facts and then returns a verdict. And I had never once asked where that picture came from. I had been treating belief on the model of a courtroom — evidence presented, rules about what may count, a judgement at the end — and calling that simply the way thinking works. I had cast myself as the judge in a trial I never noticed I had called.

This is Philosophy for Us — philosophy for everyone, no degree required.

This is the first of eight episodes, and the question beneath all of them is the oldest one there is: is there anyone there? Is there any real reason to think so — do the arguments work? You most likely have a settled answer already; most people do, on both sides. Over these eight episodes I want to take that answer of yours more seriously than most people take it.

Let me say what I am not going to do, so you know what kind of series this is. I am not going to tell you the arguments fail and that the grown-up thing is to give the belief up. I am not going to tell you to stop asking for reasons and simply have faith. And — this is the one that matters — I am not going to do the thing a series like this is expected to do: line up the famous arguments, grade them for you from some calm position above the dispute, and hand you the result — because the question I want us pursuing, from tonight, is whether there is any such position at all. If there is not, then the question you walked in with — is there enough evidence — was resting on something you never examined. I am not exempt from any of this; I argued from that courtroom in my own head for years. So tonight does one job, and the other seven depend on it. It goes back to my uncle's look, locates the same courtroom in your head, and hands it to you — not to knock it down, but so that, perhaps for the first time, you take it out and look at it properly.

Let me begin with what is true on your side, whichever side that is — because both positions are doing something honest, and you should hear that said plainly before I complicate it.

Start with the demand for evidence. It is not crude, and it is not the shallow, undergraduate move people sometimes take it for. "Show me the evidence" is one of the most honest things a person can say. It is the rule that built the hospital you would trust with your life. It is the rule that requires a court to show its case rather than point to how certain it feels. It is the rule that lets an ordinary person look a confident and powerful man in the eye and say: that is a fine story; where is your proof. It is the instinct of someone who refuses to be fooled — by their own wishes, by their upbringing, by anyone selling comfort. I will not believe a thing merely because I would like it to be true; show me, and I will follow the showing. If that is your instinct about God, I am not going to mock it, and I am not going to take it from you. Hold on to it. We will need it, intact, for eight episodes.

Now the believer — the uncle. The honest thing on his side is not "he ran out of arguments." When he looked at me as though I had asked him to prove he loves his wife, he was reporting something real. Consider what proving that would take. You could produce the years together, the brain scan lighting up, every kind thing he ever did — and a determined sceptic could still say: that is not love, that is habit, or chemistry, or the fear of being alone. There is no single fact you can put on the table that forces the conclusion. And yet whether he loves his wife is not a question the man is unsure about. He is steadier on it than on almost anything you could prove to him on paper. So the look was not a concession. He was telling me that I had walked up to something he lives by and asked him to produce it as though it were a document he could hand over — and that the strange part was the asking, not the answer.

Notice that I have now said something true about each side, and that I have not said which one wins. This is where nearly everyone goes wrong, and goes wrong quickly. If you lean sceptical, you heard the part about the uncle and thought: fair enough, but feelings are not evidence, and "you can't prove love either" is a dodge — so I was right all along. If you lean the other way, you heard the first part and thought: yes, exactly, the whole demand for proof is a mistake about categories, the uncle had it right from the start. Both of you have just closed the case. Both of you, in about four seconds, did the very thing these eight episodes exist to slow down.

Because "case closed" is a verdict. And a verdict is something you hand down according to a rule about what was allowed to count. Neither of you — I would wager on this — has ever taken that rule down and read it. You each have a courtroom of your own. You have simply arranged it differently, and each of you takes your own for the neutral room itself.

Perhaps you are already a step ahead of me. Perhaps you are thinking: very well, I will not slam the case shut. I will do the genuinely reasonable thing — go and look at the actual arguments, hear both sides, weigh them fairly, and then decide. Not "case closed," but: let me see the evidence and judge it like an adult.

That sounds so sensible that I have to stop the episode here, because it is the most tempting wrong turn in the whole subject, and it is exactly where a series like this usually goes. You have seen the version many times. You set the arguments out in a row: here is the one about the universe looking fine-tuned for life, here is the problem of evil, here is the design argument, here is the argument from morality. You give each a fair, even-handed hearing. You note the strong points and the weak ones. You add it up, you spread your hands, you say reasonable people disagree — you decide. It feels like the height of fairness. It feels like the opposite of slamming the case shut. It feels, at last, grown-up.

But look at what that fair weighing is quietly doing. To give an argument a score, you need a standard for scoring. You have to know already what counts as a point for, what counts as a point against, and how much weight a piece of evidence must carry before it is allowed to move you. The exercise hands you the columns and the running total, and it never shows you where the units came from. It wears the appearance of the neutral judge — I am not taking sides, I am only weighing it — while carrying in the one thing that actually settles the result: the standard you are weighing with. Two people can take the same arguments, work through them honestly, in good faith, and come out at opposite ends — not because one of them cheated, but because they began with different rules about what counts as a reason in the first place. The weighing cannot show you that difference, because the weighing is built out of one of those rules. It may not be the room; it may be one position in the room, presented as the room.

So I am not going to hand you a graded result. Not to be awkward, and — hear this part — not because the arguments do not matter. They matter enormously. From next time I am going to put the strongest of them in front of you at full strength, made the way their ablest defenders actually make them, with their sharpest critics in the room, nothing held back and nothing caricatured. What I am not going to do is grade them for you from some calm place above the dispute — because the question I want us pursuing, all the way through, is whether there is any place above the dispute. Whether the neutral standpoint you assumed you occupied is really there. I cannot settle that for you tonight, and I will not pretend to. I am only telling you that it is what we have set out to find — and that what we find changes the shape of the whole question.

So let us do the thing the fair weighing skips. Set aside grading the arguments for a few minutes. I do not want to measure anything yet; I want to find the standard you would measure with. Here is the question, and it is so simple it sounds like a trick, and it is not. What would count?

Whatever your answer on God is at the moment, try to say — aloud, if you are somewhere you can — what would change it. If you do not believe, name the evidence that would do it. Not the slogan; not "well, if there were evidence," which just hands the same word back to me. The actual thing. What exactly would you have to see, or hear, or live through, for "there is someone there" to become the reasonable thing to think? And if you do believe, run it from your side, because you have a standard too: what would count against? What would you have to meet for the belief to become unreasonable to hold?

Try to finish the sentence. Properly. I will wait, because this is the whole evening.

Here is what I think happens when you try. The sentence will not finish — or it finishes, and then it wavers. You say "a miracle," and then you hear yourself wonder what would stop that being a trick, or something science has simply not caught up with yet. You say "if the suffering made sense," and then you are not sure how much would be enough, or who decides. You go to state the standard, and find it is one you have never examined. That is the thing to catch tonight. Not an answer about God — we are nowhere near that. Only this: you have been carrying a standard, a rule about what would be enough, and you have almost certainly never once stated it aloud. You have used it. You have reached real conclusions with it. "There is not enough evidence" — you may have said that with some confidence. But that is a measurement, and you have never shown anyone, least of all yourself, the standard you measured with. You did not build it tonight. You had it ready. It came from somewhere, and you have never turned round and asked where.

Now, I have to be careful here, more careful than anywhere else in this episode, because there is a cheap version of what I am doing and I want you to know I am refusing it. The cheap version runs: your standard has never been inspected, therefore it is worthless, therefore the whole demand for evidence collapses, therefore believe whatever you please. That is not what I am saying. If you hear me saying it, I have failed, and you should switch off. The standard may be entirely sound. When you finally take it down and read it, you may decide it is the best rule you own and defend it to the last — that "show me the evidence," held up to the light, really is the floor of anything you would call reasonable. That possibility is wide open. I am not closing it tonight, for the believer or against them. The only thing I am claiming — the whole narrow, stubborn claim of this first episode — is that you have never looked. You opened a court. You took the bench. You have been handing down rulings for years. And you did it all by a rule you never read back, never checking whether it is the neutral floor you assumed it to be or one position among others that you happen to occupy. You assumed it was the floor. You may be entirely right. You have simply, until tonight, never asked the question.

Let me say plainly what you have now that you did not have an hour ago — because I answered nothing tonight — I told you at the start I would not — so let me be clear about the actual gain.

You came in able to say "there is not enough evidence," or able to say "you do not need evidence for this," and to feel, either way, that you were simply stating a plain fact about how things stand. You leave able to hear the rule hidden inside both of those sentences — the standard that has to be in place already before either one can mean anything. That is the gain. It is smaller than an answer, and it changes more than an answer would: you can now catch yourself applying a standard you never stated. You can feel that what you had taken for neutral ground might itself be a standpoint. That is the whole of it, small as it sounds — and it is what each of the next seven episodes does, more heavily each time.

So before next time, try it once on someone who is not you — because it only becomes yours when you have used it with nobody arranging it for you. Here is the case. You have a friend — nearly everyone does — who says some version of this: "I would believe in God if I saw a real miracle. Something science genuinely could not explain. Show me that, and I am in." It sounds like the most reasonable sentence anyone has ever spoken — open-minded, fair, led by evidence, the opposite of credulous.

Do not argue with them. Do not try to move them towards God or away from it; that is not the task, and it will ruin the thing I am asking you to watch for. Do the other thing — the thing from tonight. Ask them, gently, the prior question: what exactly would count? And then stay on it, the way I stayed on you. A street magician does things you cannot immediately explain — is that a miracle, or a trick you cannot see? If a tumour disappears and the doctors cannot say why, is that God reaching in, or something medicine has not yet explained — and what is the difference, and how would you ever tell? And then the real one, the question that does the work: have you ever once set this standard down before this minute? And have you ever tried to say why it is the right standard here? You are not trying to win. You are trying to watch the same small thing happen to them that happened to you tonight — the moment they reach for the standard and find it is something they have carried for years and never read.

And next time we stop circling and turn to the arguments themselves, the real ones, at full strength. We begin with the one that many serious people will tell you is the strongest case there is: that the universe itself looks set up. That the numbers underneath all of physics — the strength of gravity, the weight of empty space — sit within so narrow a margin that a small change either way means no stars, no carbon, no chemistry, and no us; and that this is not nothing, that it points somewhere. I am going to give you that argument at its strongest, the way its ablest defenders really make it, with its hardest critics answering back — and I am not going to tell you who wins. Because by now you can see the difficulty. To tell you who wins, I would have to hand you the graded result. And we have just spent an hour finding that no one has read the standard behind it, including the person holding it.

So — is there anyone there? I have not moved you an inch towards yes or towards no tonight. My uncle's look is still there between us: perhaps it was a man reporting that I had asked a strange, wrongly shaped question — or perhaps it was simply a man with no answer, whose silence looked like wisdom. I have not told you which. Both are still standing. But here is the one thing that has changed, and you cannot put it back. Tonight you went to state the standard — the one you would have held my uncle to — and the sentence would not finish. You have been running trials in your head for years, God in the dock and the arguments filing past, and tonight, for the first time, you noticed the rules of evidence on the wall, that you cannot remember reading them, and that you could not say where they came from. Whether they really are the rules of the room, or one more position presented as the rules — that is what we go looking for. We are going to spend the next seven episodes asking what they are, where they came from, and whether they hold.

Thanks for listening. I'll see you next time.

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